October 23, 2006
Social Liberal vs Social Libertarian...
From: [Name Withheld]
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Sent: October 19, 2006 11:12:46 PM
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Subject: Re: (cyf-talk) MP Garth Turner suspended
Interesting. I've always been a bit conflicted as to how to use the term socially liberal and especially the term socially left. To a non-political person, I'd likely say I am socially liberal, but I do see a distinction. For example, a social liberal would want to keep the state involved in marriage and define it as a union between two consenting adults or possibly more than two. Social conservatives would be the same except their definition would be a union between a consenting adult male and a consenting adult female. A social libertarian would want the state out of marriage altogether, but in absence of that option would choose the social liberal option. Another difference I see would be that social libertarians would place much less restrictions on free speech than social liberals or social conservatives would. Within a particular frame of issues, I see social libertarian and social liberal as the same, but I always thought of them as having some key differences.
On Turner. There were certainly things he did that I respected, like championing issues like income splitting - which could be solved via a flat tax, but he certainly can't say he was not warned. In short, I trust the Ontario caucus to have done what was best.
From: [Name Withheld]
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Sent: October 20, 2006 9:39:33 PM
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Subject: (cyf-talk) explained
"The rights that we have under the Constitution covers anything we want to do, as long as its not harmful. I can't see any way in the world that being a gay can cause damage to somebody else."
- Barry Goldwater
"We will keep in mind and remember that Barry Goldwater has faith in us. He has faith that you and I have the ability and the dignity and the right to make our own decisions and determine our own destiny."
- Ronald Reagan
Reply-To: cyf-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: October 19, 2006 11:12:46 PM
To: cyf-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: (cyf-talk) MP Garth Turner suspended
Interesting. I've always been a bit conflicted as to how to use the term socially liberal and especially the term socially left. To a non-political person, I'd likely say I am socially liberal, but I do see a distinction. For example, a social liberal would want to keep the state involved in marriage and define it as a union between two consenting adults or possibly more than two. Social conservatives would be the same except their definition would be a union between a consenting adult male and a consenting adult female. A social libertarian would want the state out of marriage altogether, but in absence of that option would choose the social liberal option. Another difference I see would be that social libertarians would place much less restrictions on free speech than social liberals or social conservatives would. Within a particular frame of issues, I see social libertarian and social liberal as the same, but I always thought of them as having some key differences.
On Turner. There were certainly things he did that I respected, like championing issues like income splitting - which could be solved via a flat tax, but he certainly can't say he was not warned. In short, I trust the Ontario caucus to have done what was best.
From: [person A]
Subject: Re: (cyf-talk) MP Garth Turner suspended
[person B], I don't know who you speak to, but I use social libertarian and social liberal labels as synonyms.On 10/19/06, [person B] wrote:
Why am I not surprised? And can anyone explain to me why so-called social libertarians always end up having social views which are no different than those of social liberals even though supposedly they are different somehow?- [person B]
From: [Name Withheld]
Reply-To: cyf-talk@yahoogroups.com
Sent: October 20, 2006 9:39:33 PM
To: cyf-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: (cyf-talk) explained
"The rights that we have under the Constitution covers anything we want to do, as long as its not harmful. I can't see any way in the world that being a gay can cause damage to somebody else."
- Barry Goldwater
"We will keep in mind and remember that Barry Goldwater has faith in us. He has faith that you and I have the ability and the dignity and the right to make our own decisions and determine our own destiny."
- Ronald Reagan
